{"id":1231,"date":"2024-01-26T11:15:00","date_gmt":"2024-01-26T11:15:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/?p=1231"},"modified":"2025-01-26T11:17:27","modified_gmt":"2025-01-26T11:17:27","slug":"andres-fernandez","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/andres-fernandez\/","title":{"rendered":"Andr\u00e9s Fern\u00e1ndez"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Some Things from Somewhere - Andr\u00e9s Fern\u00e1ndez\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/x3i9KhhDQYo?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>camera: Antonio Perales<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>edit: John Collingswood &amp; Cai Tomos<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Some Things from Somewhere - Andr\u00e9s Fern\u00e1ndez - 2nd screen\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/u9h53eJEPqA?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">This film was projected onto the wall drawing that Andr\u00e9s made.<br><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: ok. I say the first story you told me about Andr\u00e9s going by himself in the city and of him returning, looking red, with his face sweating, excited, thrilled. When you told me the story I felt the story in myself. And I wondered about, I felt like it was a very important story. And stayed. It stayed with me when I went back to London, it kept going. And the idea was how to be \u2026 to make the space of freedom, how can we reenact the possibility. How do we reenact this? how do we find this expression that Andr\u00e9s had again? What was this question? What did he find? How did this walk change him so much? His being, his excitement. So how can I propose something that may, might become, can include all of this? Not to find something exactly the same but go to this freedom. So the idea of&nbsp;<em>Caminar con Andr\u00e9s<\/em>, to walk with him and to follow him in the sense that when I have experienced to work with people with mental disabilities or complex things before, they are always following someone, always following, always behind. Always having the time determined by the external, the exterior time that they fit into. So there was something about the freedom within a boundary of saying \u201cAndr\u00e9s, you walk, we follow, and we go\u201d. And those series of first walks were very powerful in the sense that nothing happened, nothing was supposed to happen, we just walked. Sometimes we stopped, he draw, he writes and the first text Andr\u00e9s wrote, can you say this?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: \u201cnadie me dijo nada porque yo lo s\u00e9 todo\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, \u00bfno? s\u00ed, \u00bfc\u00f3mo es? \u201cNadie me dijo nada porque yo s\u00e9 todo y las personas son iguales en cualquier lugar\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: \u201cwe are all \u2026 Everyone is the same, everyplace\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: everyplace.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: everyplace. And I thought that\u2019s it, that\u2019s it. That was the statement somehow that shaped the idea of walking with Andr\u00e9s. And\u2026 the walk itself, noticing my own curiosity about Andres\u2019s journey, where? One day we walked down the metro and it was a violin playing, it was playing Vivaldi. And the experience of walking with Andr\u00e9s, how he came down through the metro then up again was like he was guiding something, it was like a theatrical experience.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: me he perdido esa parte de que Andr\u00e9s se meti\u00f3 en el metro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, pues que Andr\u00e9s entr\u00f3 en el metro y hab\u00eda un violinista, no? Y luego s\u00ed, bueno, nos llev\u00f3 al metro, luego nos sac\u00f3 del metro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: he came back up. But I realized that walking with Andr\u00e9s and following Andr\u00e9s my perception changed of how I was in the world. Through the act of walking, but also by Andr\u00e9s being the orbit, the planet that I was orbiting, the compass. So his being, his presence, allowed me to experience my environment different, not maybe through his eyes, but something changed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: yes, through your new eyes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: through my new eyes. I think that\u2019s exactly it. So the proposition of walking was to be able to see differently what we take for granted each day. To clean eyes. To clean the perception. And then to bring in the question of disability or to have a disability and to be in the world and what it is to be leading, not following. So when we proposed the question of how would he feel if many people came. Because I felt again this idea of how do we celebrate. How do we celebrate this somehow. And then he said 60 people and he wanted to pursue the idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: 60. Es verdad.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: and the experience briefly to jump, the experience of the walk, you know, each walk with him was of something biographical, perhaps, you know. Mapping.&nbsp; Literally and physically mapping. And tying into this mapping the biography here, he arround the hospital. \u201cHere I was with my mother\u201d and we walked. And then the walk with everyone for me it was very powerful, very moving\u2026 by the silence.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: and for him I think it\u2019s the most important the last time. This is the real important for Andr\u00e9s.&nbsp; The work of Andr\u00e9s is\u2026 \u00bfc\u00f3mo se dice\u2026? apasionante o impresionante. But he spent a lot of years to make, not moving but in his mind. Perforando la realidad. O sea, the maps, big maps, maps of world, maps of cosmos, maps of birth, ideas of birth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: sexuality maps\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: finding himself in the world. Finding understanding of the world, but in his chair, in his knees. Because his mother say me yesterday that Andr\u00e9s he has an illness in his knees, because he is in the knees in the house all time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: on his knees. Est\u00e1 de rodillas todo el tiempo.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: all the time, on the ground.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: the opportunity to go out and the opportunity to demonstrate he can. I can.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: I can.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: \u201cI can think\u201d, \u201cbut I can make\u201d. \u201cI know\u201d. \u201cI know where is the place\u201d. \u201cEvery place\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, \u201cyo s\u00e9, yo s\u00e9\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: \u201cI can\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, it\u2019s like \u201cplease leave me alone\u201d. \u201cDejadme en paz\u201d. \u201cClaro, que yo solo puedo\u201d. \u201cYo solo s\u00e9\u201d. \u201cMe alone\u201d. \u201cMe alone\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: and yet again when we were walking with 30 people, you know, behind, this energy I felt we were being pulled, no?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: eso fue bonito. It was very beautiful also because I noticed that in the group there were people without knowing the reason of walking with Andr\u00e9s, without knowing Andr\u00e9s. So there was a meeting without discourse, sin discurso, sin razones morales, \u00bfno? Just like this. Someone proposes to go out walking, so, ok I feel like following this guy because I just want to, it just like the idea so I go. Y punto, \u00a1y ya est\u00e1!&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: yes, I think the most of people understand it like a work for themselves, and for Andr\u00e9s. This is the same experience as when we started&nbsp;<em>Debajo del Sombrero<\/em>. The colaboradores, the artist that came to collaborate, talk about that: \u201cI come to this space for me\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: claro, claro s\u00ed. Eso es muy importante.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: \u201cfor me\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: yes, yes, first of all \u201cfor me\u201d. There is something egotistic very truly. Egoist, del yo antes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: this is a space where I can do and work for me in this space and with this people. In this walk I think the people feel that. Understand that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, the walk with Andr\u00e9s give the chance, so give a space to other people to be in without any result. \u00bfEntiendes?. S\u00ed, \u00e9l dio, \u00e9l ofreci\u00f3 espacio. Un espacio nuevo. A new space to be there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: and I think there\u2019s something about, you know, shifting this idea of being passive and being active.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: totalmente.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: you know, that we in a way as followers we were passive and I think that was a really important part of the walk. But in that passivity we had a kind of responsibility also you know to engage with the pautas, and Andr\u00e9s was active in the sense of the choices of where we went. And I think it was really interesting when we walked past this garage, past this house were this woman had her hair in rollers, this dog barking, and with no purpose, with no purpose or supposedly no purpose and I think that was something interesting for me. The purpose, our purpose, our speed, our time was taken away from us. Andr\u00e9s was having the time and taking\u2026 And I think by taking that away from us, it give us time to question what it is to be leaders, followers; what it is to be passive, what it is to be in the hands of someone else.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: ser llevado.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: also was good not knowing when or where it\u00b4s ending; So people asked:&nbsp; \u201cWe\u00b4ll go to the Matadero?\u201d, \u201cI don\u2019t know\u2026\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, es muy bonito. Your coming \u2026 tu llegada al proyecto ha supuesto poner en acci\u00f3n what was only, lo que estaba solo incipiente, los conatos, el anuncio muy peque\u00f1ito de algo que necesitaba entrar en realidad. So you give the chance to step on reality. Dar un paso dentro de la realidad. Realizar. To put in reality, to act, los dibujos, the pictures, the drawings, the maps.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: yesterday we were speaking the first time I met Andr\u00e9s when I was in the space I was drawing and everyone like Bel\u00e9n, people was drawing around and everyone\u2026 and Andr\u00e9s began to draw the map. And after drawing the map he took a figure, a character, and walked the character. The first thing was to walk the character through the streets and this is exactly what we\u2019ve done in a way, in real. And I have made the connections somehow that the first film to this action\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, maybe toda creaci\u00f3n tiene su profec\u00eda. Do you understand? So every creation has its own prophecy? It\u2019s announced before, time before.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: absolutely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: claro, le\u00eda yo ayer una cosa de Mar\u00eda Zambrano donde hablaba de la palabra, la palabra verdadera, la palabra incipiente que consigue entrar en acci\u00f3n. La palabra que crea la acci\u00f3n. Es la palabra creativa. Pero claro en este caso esa palabra verdadera tiene que ser recogida; hablamos de discapacidad. Entonces esa palabra verdadera para entrar en acci\u00f3n, para crear la acci\u00f3n tiene que ser recogida y llevada a la acci\u00f3n. En el caso de Andr\u00e9s, por ejemplo, ponerla a caminar, una palabra que Andr\u00e9s ha vertido durante mucho tiempo, \u00bfno? pero todav\u00eda sin salir a caminar, sin salir a la acci\u00f3n. Y bueno pues, qu\u00e9 bien que hayas venido Cai.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, s\u00ed, s\u00ed, s\u00ed. Es una oportunidad. You have clarified the work. So in one year puff!! you have made maybe what we haven\u00b4t in years, maybe because it\u2019s not our\u2026 nuestra ocupaci\u00f3n, nuestro deber, but yes, yes\u2026 you have\u2026 por azares de la vida, because maybe it might be like this, you came and bang!!&nbsp;<em>Debajo del Sombrero<\/em>&nbsp;make a step very high and put the work of each artist in another place, completely in another place.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: I wonder, you know, the question of how the meeting and of&nbsp;<em>Debajo del Sombrero<\/em>&nbsp;and myself. For me I was very clear that the body is central. And when I first visited and I saw people working&nbsp; like this on the table, I wondered about the possibility of this, of reorientation or different orientation from perhaps the object to the visual and the body. How did they become together and what happens when the visual, the art, the object and the body dialogue in a way. What\u2019s the alchemy, what\u2019s the chemical of this. But I think in a way I have only bought the perspective of the body. I think the work in a way is always there, it\u2019s underneath.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed claro. Est\u00e1 debajo. Es incipiente.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: underneath the hat.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, debajo del sombrero.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: and of course the body, and then something of the body\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: it\u2019s announcing itself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: yes, it\u2019s just another form, in a way, another medium. And I was also interested about the object being here and the artist of course. And what if the artist is in, is in the work. Itziar, Andr\u00e9s, Mario, Alberto, Luisma\u2026 So we see. We see them. The work but them. The embodiment. Who, how they are.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: la presencia, \u00bfno?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: the presence. That\u2019s true.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: so we are talking about the presence to become real. To enter in \u2026 en lo real. En la realidad. Of revealing, no?. Revelarse. Aparecer. S\u00ed, s\u00ed. Creo que es la cuesti\u00f3n general for every, para todos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: the presence of the body.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: and the truth of the body. Ideas are\u2026 son una creaci\u00f3n conceptual. In that sense could be manipulated, but the body not. The body speaks its own truth. El cuerpo es incontrovertible. No lo puedes enga\u00f1ar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: insobornable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: eso es, esa es la palabra. Insobornable. You can not buy, you cannot make business with the body, the body says \u201cno\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI:&nbsp; and you know, through the process in a way, as I do always I use my body as the fork you use to tune the piano. So I use my own body as a way not so much here, yes, but to follow my own body as I\u2019ve noticed to trust this, to trust the feeling of the body in response to the presence of each artist, the journey of each artist.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: this is very important.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: so it\u2019s two hours long. So what else is unsaid?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: \u00bfel qu\u00e9?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: what else? What\u2019s being unsaid? Anything that we haven\u2019t said that\u2019s\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: ah, \u00bfqu\u00e9 no hemos dicho?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: can I propose one question?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: if you had to find a metaphor or an image for the project, for this work, what would it be?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: si tuvi\u00e9ramos que encontrar una met\u00e1fora para nombrar al proyecto de Cai, \u00bfcu\u00e1l ser\u00eda?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: \u00bfuna met\u00e1fora?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: Bueno, para m\u00ed claramente la met\u00e1fora del nacimiento. M\u00e1s claro el agua. The metaphor of born.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: of being born. Birth. Wow!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: s\u00ed, yo creo que s\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, s\u00ed. Nacer sin imagen . Eso es. Nacer t\u00fa. You are the one who is being born.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: I think yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: birth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: create your own images. Create your own symbols.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: birthing a part of yourself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: and Cai says a thing very important. Because we have an intellectual attention, normally. But we haven\u2019t a body attention and this is very important. We haven\u2019t in a lot of times we can forget, traicionar, betray the real things, because we have a \u2026 bueno, porque estamos en un concepto muy intelectual.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: yes, we focus our attention in an intelectual way of thinking.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: and this is a problem, un peligro.&nbsp;In this work, is very important \u201cwhat I feel, what\u00b4s real, what I\u2019m feeling in this moment\u201d and this kind of little movement, very important like in Mario\u00b4s work, for example, I can see that, but maybe without you I don\u2019t extract that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: claro no lo extraes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: lo aislo. And for me is a very important learning with you. You are dancer, we are not. Bueno, para m\u00ed ha sido eso muy importante, the body language.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: when someone is when I\u2019m present or with one of the artist is like the drawings. Everything is included. Every mark, every pen, everything is included in the composition, nothing is excluded. So every gesture has, not a meaning in the way that I would intellectualize, but in a way in it\u2019s importance in the whole of the action. Bel\u00e9n coming to get the \u2026 the movements of Bel\u00e9n recording, placing back, the rhythm of her. Andr\u00e9s his trainers; appearing one day with new trainers, with these shoes. These small things that might seem\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: \u2026not small.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: not small, that might seem insignificant.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: maybe in Andr\u00e9s work is very important.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: es muy significativo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: it\u2019s to give attention to these important things for them, these very important things for them. Not only the signs or the symbols.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: and in a way Luisma again for me is the point. Because with him yesterday working with the water I couldn\u2019t go anywhere else in my intellectual mind. He pulls me back to \u201cthis is what is happening now\u201d \u201cthis is what is happening now\u201d. And almost saying and all the artist say, stay with me, don\u2019t go. Stay here. Because the intellect, the desire, my own desire, perhaps the curiosity of people seeing the work, the desire to makes me go\u2026. is also a desire to consume. Some times to eat the artist and I\u2019m saying, you know, to kind of to eat them like a\u2026 food. And for me yesterday when the project feels like its coming bigger and bigger, with more voices or more noise I felt a protection but not in a closing way, a protection for what\u2019s happening now. Not what we want to happen, not what may happen. This is it. And in response to the question of saying what? I don\u2019t know. The most important answer to all of the questions \u201cI don\u2019t know\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: yes, for all the reclamations from outside. Devorar, consumir lo que est\u00e1n haciendo. Ah\u00ed Cai dice \u201cno, no contesto, no respondo, no te sirvo, no te doy cuerda\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: because the very act of explaining sometimes as is in the world for all of us, with our desire for the reverence for the intellect, for understanding, for meaning. Each time, somehow I go to the explanation, I walk further away from what\u2019s happening.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: ah, totalmente.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: \u00bfc\u00f3mo?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: pues que cada vez que intentas explicar algo\u2026, \u00bfno?&nbsp; est\u00e1s haciendo la acci\u00f3n contraria. Es lo m\u00e1s opuesto a entrar en contacto con lo que est\u00e1 pasando.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: so like the balance of Luisma, the point, the meaning, the intellectual and the reality of the here and now, of body reality, body time they have to walk together; because if it\u2019s heavy this way, heavy on the intellectual or if it\u2019s heavy on the body and no sense of enquiry it doesn\u2019t work. It has to keep moving, \u00bfno?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: this is very important.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: It\u2019s not fixed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: we found something like this balance in the beginning of&nbsp;<em>Debajo del Sombrero<\/em>&nbsp;with the camera. 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And each artist, my experience of each has also been such a learning also for me about this question of presence, and what does that mean to accompany. What does it mean to be active, to have an active perception which is not intrusive, which is not far away, but which is fluid like the water, like my perception, that it doesn\u2019t locate itself and fix. But that my perception like through the whole project has the possibility of being mobile continuously and never rests, never stays in one place. In a place of certainty, in a place of knowing. In a place of reduction, but actually refuses to be still and continues to travel\u2026, something, yes, there\u2019s something from somewhere; the appearance and the disappearance, the movement of that, the movement of perception.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: s\u00ed, es muy importante. 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