{"id":1219,"date":"2024-01-26T11:07:00","date_gmt":"2024-01-26T11:07:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/?p=1219"},"modified":"2025-01-26T11:11:03","modified_gmt":"2025-01-26T11:11:03","slug":"luisma-herrero","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/luisma-herrero\/","title":{"rendered":"Luisma Herrero"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Some Things from Somewhere - Luisma Herrero\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ViXzsuMoh3A?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>camera: Cai Tomos<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>edit: John Collingswood<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Some Things from Somewhere - Luisma Herrero - 2nd screen\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/z4bPInT1QLU?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><em>This film was embedded in the plinth that displayed Luisma\u2019s woodwork resting on a map of Llandudno<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>camera: Antonio Perales<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>subtitles: Mar\u00eda Jos\u00e9 Manzaneque &amp; John Collingswood<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: the journey of Luisma and the mystery of the work\u2026 is hard to find language, it\u2019s interesting, to speak, it\u2019s hard to find language, it feels sometimes that language isn\u2019t relevant when we speak of Luisma, it\u2019s something else, so this is a challenge, but I think this feeling of the water, and the relevance of the water, which came as you discussed. Something became activated in my mind about his fascination with water and how present it was, it seems, in his life. I wondered whether the water was a personal not an artistic priority, always, and was it ok to wonder about this water being an artistic, or is it personal, and I don\u2019t think this question is one that is gonna be solved or be, you know\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, resuelta.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: it\u2019s alive, but the question of working with Luisma each time and proposing, and I remember Luis and I in the space with bottles of water, with ice, with different ways to engage the water, and this question of dialogue, how much presence did I need to have, do I do anything? do I propose some relationship?&nbsp; do I sit? and I remember while sitting, doing nothing, and questioning is this doing nothing supporting? or is this doing nothing just doing nothing? so began to question a proposition, like a game, or like I say this, you say this to propose some action, and then I think I noticed something around, maybe there needed to be some relational aspect, some play is not the right word, but a conversation, a dialogue in a way;&nbsp; and when we took Luisma to playa de Madrid with the fountains for me it was\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: la playa de Madrid, sabes lo que es, \u00bfno?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: s\u00ed, que hay chorros y\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI:&nbsp; I was wow! I could see somehow the water allowed, for my eyes, for me only, to see this\u2026, to see a language, some kind of language of gesture it came through his relationship to the water and as the water gave him, in a way, something to\u2026 a resistance or a way of shaping, and we were speaking before about the wood , the wood offers another thing for the body, so for me\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: another kind of resistance, another kind of shape.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: another kind of resistance, another kind of shape.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: shape qu\u00e9 es?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: forma.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: form. So some question about Luisma has been the expending of energy necessary. And when we worked with the bottles of water it was like there wasn\u2019t enough to meet him.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: claro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: no era suficiente.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: not enough water\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: claro, siempre falta agua.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: to meet him, because this whatever artistic form it was the wood had to meet him so he can meet it back.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: so this I don\u2019t understand. Meet back?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: meet back, so he could give back to the form, \u00bfno?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS:&nbsp; que puede volver a la forma.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: yes, so like to press against, s\u00ed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: so when he was shaping with the water, with his hands, I felt there was an exchange, \u00bfno? there was a dialogue between the body and the form being the water.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: o sea que tiene una presi\u00f3n m\u00e1s continua que \u00e9l puede estar \u2026 \u00bfhe entendido bien o no es as\u00ed?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: yo creo que s\u00ed, bueno, I understand you in a context. So you speak about the two ways of the resistance that comes from each material, the fluid and solid.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: yes, each material, the fluid and the solid, yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: and Luisma between, among this two things.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: yes, and his way of responding to this form.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: so when I saw him in the playa with the water, there was something of the desire, his desire, his enjoyment, the sensation, the\u2026 because he stayed in there for two hours, \u00bfno?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, more or less.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: but for me it was the time where I could see a language, seen from the place of movement, a language of gesture, and that becoming a form in itself, you know? and Luisma as I said is the point, he\u2019s like the gate keeper of the mystery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: the gate keeper, el portero, \u00bfno?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: yes, the gate keeper of the mystery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: eso es muy bonito.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, el guarda, el guardador de\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI:&nbsp; I think for the whole project, if ever I\u2019m lost, I come back to Luisma and he reminds me of the expansion.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: eso es muy bonito.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: he\u2019s all with the rhythm of his body, he\u2019s big\u2026 I like very much this question about Luisma, because all the project is supported in a very delicate point, very\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: fragile, delicate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA:&nbsp; s\u00ed \u2026 et\u00e9reo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, vanishing, no? Evanescente, et\u00e9reo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: de manera que tiene que ir muy libre, que cuando uno lo intenta acotar demasiado, piuf! se te va, o sea, hay que dejar las manos libres para que pase. Entonces, es verdad que lo de Luisma es expresi\u00f3n muy clara del t\u00edtulo adem\u00e1s, no?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: del t\u00edtulo del proyecto de Cai, \u00bfno? Entiendes, \u00bfno?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI:&nbsp;<em>Some things, from somewhere<\/em>, s\u00ed.&nbsp; Yesterday I add \u201csome time\u201d.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: claro, s\u00ed, claro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: because yesterday\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: nothing expected happened, no? eso es lo bueno.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: because this is the truth.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: exactly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: this is the truth, this project is from&nbsp;<em>Debajo del Sombrero<\/em>&nbsp;project.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: nothing expected happened.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: and sostener la decepci\u00f3n\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: claro, to hold the disappointment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: Is our work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: claro, to give a space\u2026 and suddenly realizing that it\u2019s not an disappointment but the opposite, it\u2019s life, no?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: Luisma yesterday with the engaging to the water, it was different, he was related to the water but this expectation that we had, I had, wasn\u2019t fulfilled and in that, everything could open and I felt a great relief, a great gift from Luisma, because the idea fell down.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I think my experience when I first came to meet&nbsp;<em>Debajo del Sombrero<\/em>, was of the ten year history, of a culture, a culture of the space which I couldn\u2019t put into words, it was a feeling I had, Oh the space here, the space, there\u2019s lots of space, and that somehow there\u2019s something really quite political about doing nothing in this culture that demands, also demands and pulls out creativity. Something that influenced very much was with this question; it\u2019s not a question of stillness, it\u2019s a question of space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: give space, I understand.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s about giving. I don\u2019t know. I am the one that\u2019s giving space, so giving it. it\u2019s quite about\u2026. it\u2019s quite an existential thing, no?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: perd\u00f3n, he perdido eso de la cuesti\u00f3n es el espacio. Exactamente no he entendido bien.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: the space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: Cai says that\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: No, pero d\u00edmelo en espa\u00f1ol.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: ah, la primera vez not\u00f3 como una percepci\u00f3n de espacio\u2026 espacio cualitativo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: yes, qualitative space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: this is good because this is the first idea of the project, the first reto.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: reto no s\u00e9 c\u00f3mo se dice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: the first idea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: the first challenge.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: the first idea to make a space so elastic to receive every kind of communication.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: all kinds of communication.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: that was the first idea ten years ago.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: and I think I felt that, I felt it in the experience, the quality of experience of being with other people. One thing I remember about this, Keats speaks about negative capability, our ability to not act.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: ability not to act?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: nuestra capacidad para no\u2026&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: not to do anything.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: ah, ok.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: para no hacer nada.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: so this, in the project for me was equally as important, was the ability to not contribute as much as the ability to contribute, and knowing when, and when not.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Knowing when to offer, when not to offer and the importance of not offering but trusting something else.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: we always say that this way of expression is very&nbsp;important for the project because ponen al proyecto en el punto virgen, en el punto cero.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: claro, put the project in the virginal origin, no?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: the point of zero, I like this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: and this situation can be, can be for ten years, for example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: otherwise the project becomes a factory of creativity which is completely false.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: pero en el caso de Luisma en realidad es m\u00e1s bonito que hacer o no hacer nada, porque&nbsp; en el intento nosotros y luego Cai, de establecer relaci\u00f3n con Luisma, de encontrarnos con Luisma, de encontrar a Luisma, es como ir al encuentro de una forma en vac\u00edo, lo rodeas de agua, lo rodeas de madera, es como si rodearas al hombre invisible de alguna manera,&nbsp; lo est\u00e1s rodeando de realidades para encontrarle forma. Eso es un problema nuestro m\u00e1s que de \u00e9l, un problema nuestro de visibilizar a Luisma.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: \u00bfT\u00fa lo entiendes? \u00bfHas entendido eso?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: un poco, s\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: we try to find Luisma. This is the question. We, not Luisma, we try to find Luisma, where is Luisma, who is Luisma. And in this question, in this work for us we surround Luisma with water, with wood\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: not arguments, but tools.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: ways of \u2026 possible ways of communication.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: ok . Rodeas, das vueltas, to find\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: the form.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: like an anti sculpture, un vac\u00edo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: emptiness.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: not emptiness, for us is not emptiness, for us is conocido (known) and this is the choque (impact) with the reality. When Luisma\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: hits the wood.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: choca contra la realidad, this is the limit of form, another limit of form.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: ah, qu\u00e9 bueno, s\u00ed, s\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: o sea, aqu\u00ed hay un esfuerzo.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, la resistencia offers the form.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: absolutely. And as we grow as babies, the first one is the inside of the mother, it\u2019s the first place is the resistance; it gives you back your shape, your form. And I guess what I saw for the first with the water in playa de Madrid, and with the wood, was that the wood offers a form, a way of expression.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: claro, yes, different Luismas appear in different limits. One Luisma appeared when he found the wood, another Luisma appeared when he found a lot of water, and sound\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: yes because of this it could be so, not only beautiful but interesting la relaci\u00f3n entre\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: the relationship.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>CAI: the journey of Luisma and the mystery of the work\u2026 is hard to find language, it\u2019s interesting, to speak, it\u2019s hard to find language, it feels sometimes that language isn\u2019t relevant when we speak of Luisma, it\u2019s something else, so this is a challenge, but I think this feeling of the water, and the [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1203,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","site-container-style":"default","site-container-layout":"default","site-sidebar-layout":"default","disable-article-header":"default","disable-site-header":"default","disable-site-footer":"default","disable-content-area-spacing":"default","_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_vp_format_video_url":"","_vp_image_focal_point":[],"_wpcom_ai_launchpad_first_post":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[26],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1219","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-some-things"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/caitomos.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/LH03.jpg?fit=600%2C400&ssl=1","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p2Iu26-jF","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1219","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1219"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1219\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1223,"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1219\/revisions\/1223"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1203"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1219"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1219"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1219"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}