{"id":1216,"date":"2024-01-26T11:05:00","date_gmt":"2024-01-26T11:05:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/?p=1216"},"modified":"2025-01-26T11:07:42","modified_gmt":"2025-01-26T11:07:42","slug":"itziar-martin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/caitomos.com\/cy\/itziar-martin\/","title":{"rendered":"Itziar Martin"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Some Things from Somewhere - Itziar Martin\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/nipALW1ryrA?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>camera: John Collingswood<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>drumloop: Meilyr Tomos<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>costume: Lilli Hartmann<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: Itziar, so my experience of the journey, and I am speaking about the movement\u2019s journey, has been from one point to a very different point, starting with very abstract movements, not literal in a way, very abstract. Over time the movements changed into something much more known perhaps, or popular maybe, or\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: pop, popular, claro, claro, s\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: pop, pop, and I found this super interesting, and I ought to say something briefly about the way in which we always started was with the cards was like a tarot.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: was like a\u2026?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: the tarot. We always start with the cards, every time, and I always wondered actually, we need this form, this ritual as a way in, always. And every time we worked with the cards, Itziar drew the cards of the female, every time, almost identical. Out of the cards, of 200, she drew the same, each time. Each time the feminine, the body, the hands, the hair, and one session I asked which cards is the one that feels most important? And she drew a card of three females with their back, with very long hair. And this was the point of the story of pelo, the story of the hair. When Itziar was dancing, over the months she was dancing an imitation with a gesture of the hair. And then we asked the question of what would it be like to have the hair. This is when Lilli came in to make the costume and to make this gesture real, to bring it into real. So, yes, this question of the feminine, the power, the archetype has become more present since September. When I came back in September, it was like wow! What happened? This pop dance, this expressive pop feminine, the body, the sexuality, everything \u2026 and I was like wow! Lost!. I was lost, I don\u2019t know, I had no idea. What to do, how to be, how to \u2026 I felt like wooh, wooh, how do I?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Because she was dancing, very kind of powerfully\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, playing the archetype, claro.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: so then, in this point, in that week, I realized, it took me some time, but I realized I don\u2019t need to make any restriction on her expression. I don\u2019t need to direct, advise, suggest. Nothing. I need to get out of the way as much as possible so that she needs to dance, the dance that she dances, because there\u2019s enough restrictions in life, no? and this is a place of theatre, it\u2019s the place where possibly she can experience some kind of freedom, and some kind of joy and a reverence for her body. And if that can be possible, then fantastic! and that\u2019s when something changed for me in the work.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: \u00bfy cu\u00e1ndo se decidi\u00f3 el traje? o sea, el traje que lleva ahora, \u00bfcu\u00e1ndo lo decidieron?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: when was the dress made? When was it decided?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: before the change or\u2026?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: after. With Lilli she drew, they drew the picture of exactly the costume and Itziar said: I want this on my eyes, I want this\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: this, she said or she drew?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: I think Lilli was asking what do you want.&nbsp; I want this on my face, I want arms to have \u2026I was this\u2026 and then Lilli was drawing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: with pants, no vest, she said that\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: \u00bfel qu\u00e9?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: que eligi\u00f3 pantalones ajustados, no?\u2026 o sea se fue un poco del, del tipo m\u00e1s rom\u00e1ntico de la mujer, no?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: so I was lost in the middle, I was like wow, wow, wow! and it was great because, once again, any expectation, idea, or thought that this process would be like this, was broken again and I had to do my work, no? To do my work of being with the reality of what was happening, be with the reality and attend to this, don\u2019t attend to my expectation and this feminine, when Lola, when we went out for the first time to work with Itziar and we worked with the paper\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: yes, I remember that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: and we wrapped the paper around Itziar she made a belly. And this belly appeared and she was shaping the belly as if, like the Mary Magdalene.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: s\u00ed, s\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: shaping with reverence to this baby. So the story of the feminine, the story of the female, I think, in my writing, has been almost like underneath, like a river, underneath, flowing through the whole of the time working. It\u2019s been always there, coming out, sometimes coming down. The river of this femininity and how that is transformed and changed through the work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: yes, yes. This is\u2026 I like very much that because I think the hair, the feminine hair is a very strong archetype but it has two senses. It\u2019s a great power of the woman, and also submission towards man. Por ejemplo, el otro d\u00eda en el museo del Prado, there is a very old painting from the, \u00bfc\u00f3mo se dice?, romanic painting with Magdalena\u2026 lava los pies de Jes\u00fas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: washing the feet of Jesus.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: lava los pies de Jes\u00fas y su pelo largo cae sobre los pies\u2026 es como un indicio de sumisi\u00f3n frente al hombre, pero tambi\u00e9n es un poder de seducci\u00f3n, no? Por eso el velo, para cubrir el pelo. Yo creo que en la elecci\u00f3n de las cartas de Itziar est\u00e1n esas dos formas.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: tengo que buscar, I have a very good diccionario de s\u00edmbolos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: the symbol of the hair&nbsp;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: I have to look the meaning of the symbol of the hair.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: hair is very important. The religion covered the hair. The hair of woman is a pecado. \u00bfC\u00f3mo se dice pecado?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: sin.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: interesting one.&nbsp; And her movements? You know, my experience of her movements\u2026 the way in which she composes\u2026 the other day was exceptional. Again I was like, wow! how is this, how, where, where does this composition come from? Because she was making pop movements with her elbows and arms, and her spine, and her body. And then all of a sudden she would make an imitation of rowing a boat. She\u2019d break the form, cut the form of the feminine, of this act,&nbsp; cut it like a sword and then she would begin again. But she would punctuate something with this almost literal movement, like a thought appearing, and I found this very powerful.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, It\u2019s a dialogue between, in my opinion, what is borrowed from outside, no s\u00e9, the videoclip of Madonna, Beyonc\u00e9, maybe Madonna is very old but something between this dialogue from the borrowed and what is yours.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: borrowed qu\u00e9 es?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: Borrowed es prestado. Lo que es prestado de fuera y lo que es tuyo. Y en ese dialogo,&nbsp; en ese encuentro aparece la expresi\u00f3n, no?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: Yes, what is borrowed and what is yours, for sure. And the complexity in a way, but also not, of her expression, of this search of what\u2019s mine, what\u2019s coming this way from the culture. But the way in which she composes the movement I find\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: we have talked about the need of the\u2026 la necesidad del personaje, es decir, el dialogo entre yo y el personaje, entiendes? The need of something that is not you but you use as a vehicle, como un veh\u00edculo, to appear, no? para representarte a ti mismo. Maybe this is part of this dialogue between what is borrowed from outside and what is mine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: maybe in Itziar the movement is first than the\u2026maybe the movement brings the character.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, s\u00ed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: because the&nbsp; movement is very spontaneous and she changes\u2026 The last day, le pregunt\u00e9, I asked her what images do you have when you dance? Because she made some movement of character, como de bruja, las manos, the witch\u2026 a lot of persons, a lot of characters.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, es un cat\u00e1logo de personajes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: I think is the movement the first.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed. Lo que se pliega al movimiento es lo que entra.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: eso es.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: it\u2019s got a lots of borrowed qualitie but also within this parts of borrowed there\u2019s an inherent whole. I can see the whole. Yes, absolutely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: y es muy segura, me encanta cuando\u2026 I like very much that she is very sure when she is&nbsp;in vest\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: investida, no?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: yes, invested. Before she starts, you say Itziar, are you ready? And she is standing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: claro, you enter in the character.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: no hay duda.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: you leave behind this other Itziar to enter in the new one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI:&nbsp; and I think the question, which is maybe a question for all of the work, there\u2019s something which you said before Lola, it\u2019s something about appearing. The appearance and the disappearance. The appearance\u2026 and my sense with Itziar is that she appears through the dance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: yes, this is very important.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: and also \u2026 this is the main question of your project and of&nbsp;<em>Debajo del Sombrero<\/em>. This is the question. Nacer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: movement seems to be, I don\u2019t know if it\u00b4s one, if not, one of her primary languages, no?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: s\u00ed, s\u00ed, claro, of course.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: as in the one that she may be goes to first as a way of expression.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: yo iba a decir que estamos hablando del uso de im\u00e1genes externas, no? combinadas con lo que uno es, no? Para en el caso de Itziar, y yo creo que un poco en el caso general.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: s\u00ed, de todos.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: y bueno, a m\u00ed eso me recuerda a eso que escribe Mar\u00eda Zambrano de nacer sin imagen . Es decir, nacer en el sentido de aparecer sin toda la carga de prejuicios, sin toda la carga en definitiva de im\u00e1genes no prestadas sino puestas encima de ti. En el&nbsp;caso de la discapacidad intelectual es manifiesto. As\u00ed que curiosamente esa relaci\u00f3n entre la imagen, o sea entre el personaje, el car\u00e1cter y la persona, creo que inciden en esa direcci\u00f3n de nacer sin imagen. Do you understand what I said? I said that this dialogue that we are talking about between the images borrowed from outside, the archetypes and what is you, is a mix that goes in the direction of appearing, but also in the sense of nacer, to be born, without images, without all the prejudge above you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: yes, the cultural, the expectations, the familiar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: which in mental disability is super heavy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: strong.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: everything that surrounds mental disability are, c\u00f3mo he dicho, im\u00e1genes, prejuicios, above you. You are this, you are that, you are child. Right now the modern politics about disabilities says, we were talking about that last days, they are not child, they are adults. Suddenly. But this is a new image, a new prejudge.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: I think this, I was writing last night about Itziar and this thing of reclaiming. Reclaim. Something, this is an interpretation to say, this is my\u2026 but a reclaiming of things that society has taken away by of course being, or having a disability.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: yes, because her disability is very small, and she is like a child and she is\u2026 for every woman is very difficult to have an identity in this society. But for Itziar is\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: even more.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: even more, because she\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: se multiplica la dificultad.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: it\u2019s very difficult. This character of strong woman. She makes a good choice. it\u2019s the best choice. I&nbsp; am a woman with sexuality, powerful, and yes, in the stage I can be taller, because no se ve que eres bajita.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: you can claim.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: she becomes bigger.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">CAI: she can claim her space. When I watch her move I feel nothing but a joy, a sense of celebration, for this time, for this spirit to come through is celebrating.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LOLA: and she makes that true, the same with Bel\u00e9n, she is not \u2026 It\u2019s not important, no tanto como Bel\u00e9n, but it\u2019s not very important what we think.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LUIS: when she dances she\u2019s in, inside, in the dance, she doesn\u2019t pay attention to the other.&nbsp;<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>CAI: Itziar, so my experience of the journey, and I am speaking about the movement\u2019s journey, has been from one point to a very different point, starting with very abstract movements, not literal in a way, very abstract. 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